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“And because the homicides involved in abortion are ”little murders” – the kind of private, legally protected murders that kill conveniently unseen lives – it’s easy to look the other way.”

“Cardinal Francis George said recently, too many Americans have ”no recognition of the fact that children continue to be killed [by abortion], and we live therefore, in a country drenched in blood. This can’t be something you start playing off pragmatically against other issues.” Archbishop Charles Chaput

So much has already been written on this topic. What is important is life and truth, not my opinion or anyone else’s. The women having abortions are as much victims of the Big Lie as are the innocent fetuses they choose to abort. Politics, consumerism, relativism etc. reign like gods with promises of life after death, but in their world it is the fetus that must die in order for life to be lived as a selfish society deems happy and liberated.
Bishop Martino’s respnse to the social argument, “As wrong as abortion is, I don’t think it is the only relevant ‘life’ issue that should be considered when deciding for whom to vote.” He wrote:

This reasoning is sound only if other issues carry the same moral weight as abortion does, such as in the case of euthanasia and destruction of embryos for research purposes. Health care, education, economic security, immigration, and taxes are very important concerns. Neglect of any one of them has dire consequences as the recent financial crisis demonstrates. However, the solutions to problems in these areas do not usually involve a rejection of the sanctity of human life in the way that abortion does. Being “right” on taxes, education, health care, immigration, and the economy fails to make up for the error of disregarding the value of a human life. Consider this: the finest health and education systems, the fairest immigration laws, and the soundest economy do nothing for the child who never sees the light of day. It is a tragic irony that “pro-choice” candidates have come to support homicide – the gravest injustice a society can tolerate – in the name of “social justice.
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  1. I almost never drop responses, but i did some searching and
    wound up here fetus | Lioness. And I actually
    do have a couple of questions for you if it’s allright. Is it just me or does it look
    like a few of these responses come across like they are left
    by brain dead folks? 😛 And, if you are writing at other online
    sites, I would like to follow anything new you have to post.
    Could you list of the complete urls of your public pages like your linkedin profile, Facebook page
    or twitter feed?

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    • So much has already been written on this topic. What is important is life and truth, not my opinion or anyone else’s. The women having abortions are as much victims of the Big Lie as are the innocent fetuses they choose to abort. Politics, consumerism, relativism etc. reign like gods with promises of life after death, but in their world it is the fetus that must die in order for life to be lived as a selfish society deems happy and liberated.
      Bishop Martino’s response to the social argument, “As wrong as abortion is, I don’t think it is the only relevant ‘life’ issue that should be considered when deciding for whom to vote.” He wrote:

      “This reasoning is sound only if other issues carry the same moral weight as abortion does, such as in the case of euthanasia and destruction of embryos for research purposes. Health care, education, economic security, immigration, and taxes are very important concerns. Neglect of any one of them has dire consequences as the recent financial crisis demonstrates. However, the solutions to problems in these areas do not usually involve a rejection of the sanctity of human life in the way that abortion does. Being “right” on taxes, education, health care, immigration, and the economy fails to make up for the error of disregarding the value of a human life. Consider this: the finest health and education systems, the fairest immigration laws, and the soundest economy do nothing for the child who never sees the light of day. It is a tragic irony that “pro-choice” candidates have come to support homicide – the gravest injustice a society can tolerate – in the name of “social justice.”

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  2. Nobody is picking on the Catholic church. Since you responded to my post, I will speak for myself, and only for myself. I go to a Catholic church. I was born into a Catholic family and I was baptized when I was a baby. Religion is not something that you get to
    ‘choose’ in my family. All I was saying is that there are some things in my faith that I dont agree with. And I am okay with that.

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  3. Joanna,
    Not everyone is made to be a father or a mother.There are a lot of terrible people having children and abusing them. If you outlaw birth control almost everyone that has sex, no matter if its a child or adult, will end up pregnant. In today’s society you have to control the size of your family, not spit out children until you hit menopause. Women are not put on this earth just to raise children. Everyone has a right to choose how big of a family they want. If you outlaw birth control, you take away that right. Birth control, in my eyes is a responsible thing. You should not have to get pregnant, if you don’t want to, every time you have sex. Its also not just about getting pregnant. There are a lot of STD’s out there too so protection is crucial. The world has changed. Most people don’t wait until they are married to have sex. A lot of people date around first and have sex with multiple partners, and how would it be if almost every woman ended up with several children, all from a different father? Even though i go to a Catholic church, I don’t take every single teaching literally because the world has changed since the last 2 thousand years. The Catholic church is not perfect, even I admit that. In your last article one of the sins says “do not corrupt boys”. I watch the news everyday and I have seen several times on TV a priest, deacon etc from a Catholic church that has raped a young child.

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    • Zoey,

      I do hear you and accept you are not trying to “convert” me. Your comments are aligned with much of the moral relativism and secular thinking popular in our day and age. It isn’t Catholic. It is reflective of thinking at odds with the Church. Regardless, of the sins of its members or even its priests, theologians, etc., Jesus commissioned His Church and no other church to teach the revelation He revealed, namely, Himself, Truth. The Apostles received this commission directly from Him for all ages until He returns for us at the end of the Age.

      You stand by your opinions and I choose the Church as my teacher, and am still learning how to line up and stand up for Her Teaching. Faith and morals are not areas for moral relativism or secular pragmatism. No matter how popular, or loud, and boisterous, it’s proponents, or approved by governments or the world, they will not be there with me, when I give my account to God, nor will I be able to tell Him for what He created a Man and a Woman, though He has spoken plainly in Genesis.

      I wish you well, and again point you to “the Theology of the Body”.

      Peace,
      Joanna

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        • Your politics are your business. Politics, though, are a part of life. Life, however, is not a subdivision under politics. You cannot serve God and Mammon. All Christians are called by Jesus and commissioned to go out into the world and be leaven and salt. The public arena is where Christians belong. The prayer closet is for personal prayer. Christian action walks all roads with Jesus. Being true to a gospel of Life is the heart of Christianity. Christians are called to convert the world, not visa-versa.

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        • There’s some things that I just don’t find relevant to today’s age. Way back when, women just stayed home and had children so that they would have enough people in the world. Today we have 7 billion people living on the planet, and probably even more because very poor people living in secluded villages in different countries don’t have birth certificates for their children. I don’t believe that I am put on this planet just to be “barefoot and pregnant” and I like having the option of choosing when and how many children I want. The church has turned into a business since it first started in my opinion. I have people knocking away at my door trying to pressure me into becoming a “member” as in, give a giant portion of my paycheck to them. They no longer ask people if they CAN afford to give, and to give how much they can. They TELL you to give much, and often. I like choosing non profit charities and giving to them. I like to be physically involved when I am helping out (buy food for homeless, baby clothes for pregnancy centers, toys for kids for Christmas etc) because that way I know where 100% of the money went. When I write a check out to a company, a portion goes to their bills, a portion goes to the people they hire, a portion goes to their personal things, and it makes me sick to my stomach. If they are asking for money to help the needy, I don’t want to see a penny go to anything else.

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        • Zoey,

          You are so loved by God. You, and I, just have no idea. He plans only good for us and is able to bring it into our existence when we turn to Him with an undivided heart, our whole hearts. He respects our free will in a way, that we, by ourselves, can only scratch the surface of this truth. Jesus’ incarnation and humanity has bestowed such dignity on each soul, that we find hard to image or dare dream. When we are in a state of grace, we are like stars in His ferment. Keep giving Him your heart and He’ll keep giving you His.

          Peace,
          Joanna

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        • Joanna,
          Thank you. Tears came to my eyes when you said that God loves me because it made me think of how hard most of us try to impress other people and at the end it doesn’t matter whether or not *they* are impressed. All that matters is what I think of myself and what God thinks of me. I like coming to this blog everyday because it reminds me to say my spiritual adoption prayer.

          “ Dear Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I love you very much. I beg you to spare the life of the unborn baby(whom I have chosen to name Lily Belle because it means *beautiful flower*) that I have spiritually adopted who is in danger of abortion.”

          Right now I am looking at a Willow Tree by Susan Lordi Figurine. Its an angel that’s called “a tree, a prayer” and she is standing up and praying with her hands together and she has a family tree carved in down the length of her dress. I love it, I love angels and it reminds me to pray for my family everyday.

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        • How beautiful, Zoey. I looked online for the figurine, to which you referred. It, too, is lovely. It had these words beside it, “May you find strength, beauty and peace each day.”

          I, too, have a prayer I try to say each day, in which I ask Jesus to allow me, spiritually, and through the intercession of Blessed Mary, to baptize each unborn child that will die this day throughout the world, in any form of abortion, reduction, be used in fetal stem cell research, or birth control, with the Water that flowed from His Side, when His Heart was pierced, after He died on the Cross for all of us. Then, I pray, that, to the fullest extent of the Father’s sovereignty and generosity, all the people in the lineage of these precious children, all the way back to Adam and Eve, and until the end of Time, be granted grace to one day be united to Christ, through these holy innocents’ death, who are now citizens with the saints, and members of God’s Family, and, that it be credited to these little ones as merit, who will not get a chance to merit in a life on earth. I further pray, that the guardian angels of each child strengthen and comfort them as they die in union with the Lord, asking, too, that members of their lineage, who are detained in purgatory, may accompany them to Heaven this day with great rejoicing, after their time of sorrow, to the praise and glory of God, if it be God’s Holy Will. I know God answers every prayer in the most perfect way.

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        • I was talking to a group of people yesterday about abortion and someone brought up a good point. She said that some people treat abortion as no big deal. She said she knew a young woman that told everyone how she had sex and how she had an abortion and how it was no big deal. It is a big deal. I could never shrug something like that off and move on. I understand that for some it might be the best decision, but I dont understand how anyone can just act like they returned an item at the local grocery store. I heard someone say that they dont think a fetus is a child. I disagree there. My church has a giant poster up of a 1 month old fetus in the uterus and it very much looks like a baby to me. Someone else said that as long as abortion is done before it forms into a “real baby” that its okay. I completely disagree with that. A fetus *becomes* a baby, and that baby could be the next president, or find a cure for cancer.

          I just bought a baby blanket for a shower I’m going to this Sunday. Its white and it has a teddy bear with wings on it, its behind a cloud and on the cloud it says “God Bless This Baby”. Its gorgeous.

          My local pregnancy center is doing a “baby bottle drive” and what you do is buy a bottle and fill it with change, paper money or checks and bring it back after a few months. They raise about $20,000 a year that way and they use the money to buy baby clothes and supplies for needy mothers. It’s a good thing. For those that are reading this–please help your local pregnancy center. They do good work. They take in young mothers with a baby on the way and no place to go, they educate them on pro-life vs pro choice, they give them free counseling and free baby classes to prepare them for the future and they give them a safe place to be around other mothers that are in the same situation they are. If you could also email your church members and get them involved as well, that would be so amazing.

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        • “it very much looks like a baby to me. Someone else said that as long as abortion is done before it forms into a “real baby” that its okay. I completely disagree with that. A fetus *becomes* a baby,”

          Zoey,
          You have been very thoughtful, in what you have written here. Let me comment on the above, not simply from my point of view, but from God’s, as He has revealed it in His Word.

          We, in the Church, recognize that Jesus entered the human situation as Savior and King, not from the moment of His birth, but from the moment of His conception, when Mary said, “Be it done unto me according to Your Word.” Jesus was named from before His conception , “Hail, thou art highly favored among women, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women: Behold thou shalt conceive and bare a son and shalt call his name Jesus.” The angel explains, “He shall be called the Son of the Highest, the Lord shall give him the throne of his father David, He shall reign over the house of Jacob forever and of his kingdom there shall be no end.”

          In another place, scripture reveals, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”Jerehiah 1:5. All this to say, conception is God’s moment. He knows you, names you, calls you. Can His plan be thwarted, Yes, it’s called sin. God allows it and can incredibly bring good out of evil beginning with repentance.

          I’m stopping here to go to Eucharist. I’ll remember your good works and intentions at Mass. Peace,
          Joanna

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      • I am not thinking at odds with the church. I was raised to think for myself and to know the difference between right and wrong. I am very happy with the type of person that I am and I believe that I can be a good Christian and still think for myself, instead of having 2 thousand year old beliefs shoved down my throat. I believe in God, Jesus, Mary and Joseph, go to Sunday mass and I try to be involved with church activities. I agree with most of the Catholic beliefs but birth control is not one of them. I will gladly buy new baby clothes for local pregnancy centers but I will never protest outside an abortion clinic. I think its wonderful that you base your life on Catholic faith. However, just because I dont take some of the teachings too literally that doesnt mean that I’m not as good a person as you are. It takes more than just prayer to be a saint. My catholic belief doesnt define who I am as a person. We all find things that we are passionate about and do a little something everyday to try and change the world for the better.

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        • Zoey, the Catholic Church’s teaching is relevant in every age. Two thousand year old teachings are a must, because Jesus taught them two thousand years ago. The Apostles received a commission to proclaim them and our Confirmation commissions us to proclaim them and be faithful to that two thousand year old Faith, despite our sinfulness. We still need God to do it and He forms us as we allow Him.

          There’s really nothing new under the sun, and Paul warns us about itchy ears. We must obey our consciences, but have a duty to inform our consciences, and allow our moral judgment to be enlightened by the Faith. We are merely human and subject to negative influences and tempted by sin to prefer our own judgment and reject authoritative teachings. The education of the conscience is a lifelong task, and can go against the grain and the world.

          It sounds like you try very hard to be a good neighbor. Clothing the naked is an act of mercy and compassion. Our priest told us this morning about a prayer card he picked up as a young boy. It was a picture of the Crucifixion. On the back it said, “Only one thing is necessary in life: save your soul. Jesus has done his part and we must do the best we can with His grace. Jesus told us that following Him would qualify us for a share in the same persecution that caused the people of His time to nail Him to a Cross.

          We can pray for each other, and keep growing in the life in the Spirit. Peace.
          Joanna

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    • No one is talking about outlawing birth control. To believe the Catholic church or any other group is attempting and would even be remotely successful on a national drive to ban birth control by law is plain stupid.

      If you are attending the Catholic church and you have issues with certain bits of the beliefs, talk to a priest or a fellow parishioner that can help you understand the “why” of those beliefs. If that doesn’t help maybe you should look to the protestants.

      The Catholic church gets plenty of attention when children are molested, but the hard cold truth is children are abused every single day of the year around the world from slave soldiers in Africa to child labor in India to street kids in Brazil. Anyone abused by another human is awful, but some people are monsters whether they wear a collar or not. It’s just easy for the media and public to pick on the Catholic church.

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  4. The reason why I call a 5 or 6 year old a toddler is because when I buy clothes for children, the sizes are 4T, 5T etc. The number represents the age of the child and the T stands for toddler. I’m still standing my ground because I believe that its wrong to let a child give birth. Like I said before, most people that consider abortion are not age 13 and under so the numbers you listed dont have anything to do with what I am trying to say. I am not saying to make abortion legal. I am not trying to “justify” it or open doors for it. I am not trying to “convert” you to my way of thinking. I am simply telling you what I think is right and wrong. And I think that its not right for a child to give birth. Its okay that you disagree with me on this. I’m not here to make problems. Just to say what a lot of others are afraid to say.

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  5. Just because you have never seen a pregnant toddler, that does not mean it doesnt exist. Lina Medina gave birth at age 5 in 1939. Yelizaveta gave birth at age 6 in 1934. A little girl in India gave birth at age 6 in 1932. Anne Mummenthaler gave birth at age 8. Griseldina Acuna gave birth age 8 in 1936. Zulma Morales, age 8, gave birth 1993. The list goes on and on. And there are so many children in the world that give birth and dont end up online for everyone to see and know about. What I am getting from you is that you think its okay for a young child to carry a child. I don’t. And I am not a bad person for thinking that. As for the article, I dont see how Plan B is any different from any other birth control like the pill or condoms. They are all protection. I support birth control. If we didnt have birth control almost everyone would be raising dozens of children and children having children would be so much more common. This isnt the stone age anymore. Most people dont have the money, the time, or the means to take care of a brady bunch family. We live in a society where both parents now have to have a full time job just to get the bills paid up. If you love a big family and want unlimited children then more power to you. I think thats great. But making birth control illegal is just stupid. If more high school nurses offered birth control we would have a lot less pregnant mothers barely scraping by. Society knows how to look down on young pregnant woman and pass judgement, but they refuse to offer birth control. I dont get it. People’s sex lives and how many children they choose to have is a private matter.

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    • Zoey,
      A toddler is a young child who has begun to walk. Again toddlers do not become pregnant.

      Wikipedia lists such cases as you sighted with no toddlers among them. While all the situations listed are tragic, I note that these children gave birth.

      In the time we have been communicating, (since Feb. 15 – 5 days) the unusual circumstance listed here has been far outweighed in tragic results by the abortion deaths of 600,000 human beings (120,000/daily.) In my opinion your justification of abortion is no justificion.

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    • Zoey,
      I’m including this just in case you actually want to know how contraceptive pills work, because the pills available today are all low dose and prevent pregnancy by preventing implantation after fertilization (conception).
      Summarized from : “Does the Birth Control Pill Cause Abortions?

      The Physician’s Desk Reference (PDR)

      The Physician’s Desk Reference is the most frequently used reference book by physicians in America. The PDR, as it’s often called, lists and explains the effects, benefits, and risks of every medical product that can be legally prescribed. The Food and Drug Administration requires that each manufacturer provide accurate information on its products, based on scientific research and laboratory tests.

      As you read the following, keep in mind that the term “implantation,” by definition, always involves an already conceived human being. Therefore, any agent which serves to prevent implantation functions as an abortifacient.

      This is the PDR’s product information for Ortho-Cept, as listed by Ortho, one of the largest manufacturers of the Pill:

      Combination oral contraceptives act by suppression of gonadotropins. Although the primary mechanism of this action is inhibition of ovulation, other alterations include changes in the cervical mucus, which increase the difficulty of sperm entry into the uterus, and changes in the endometrium which reduce the likelihood of implantation.[5]

      The FDA-required research information on the birth control pills Ortho-Cyclen and Ortho Tri-Cyclen also state that they cause “changes in…the endometrium (which reduce the likelihood of implantation).”[6]

      Notice that these changes in the endometrium, and their reduction in the likelihood of implantation, are not stated by the manufacturer as speculative or theoretical effects, but as actual ones. They consider this such a well-established fact that it requires no statement of qualification.

      Similarly, as I document in my book, Syntex and Wyeth, the other two major pill-manufacturers, say essentially the same thing about their oral contraceptives.

      The inserts packaged with birth control pills are condensed versions of longer research papers detailing the Pill’s effects, mechanisms, and risks. Near the end, the insert typically says something like the following, which is taken directly from the Desogen pill insert:

      If you want more information about birth control pills, ask your doctor, clinic or pharmacist. They have a more technical leaflet called the Professional Labeling, which you may wish to read. The Professional Labeling is also published in a book entitled Physician’s Desk Reference, available in many bookstores and public libraries.

      Of the half dozen birth control pill package inserts I’ve read, only one included the information about the Pill’s abortive mechanism. This was a package insert dated July 12, 1994, found in the oral contraceptive Demulen, manufactured by Searle. Yet this abortive mechanism was referred to in all cases in the FDA-required manufacturer’s Professional Labeling, as documented in The Physician’s Desk Reference.

      In summary, according to multiple references throughout The Physician’s Desk Reference, which articulate the research findings of all the birth control pill manufacturers, there are not one but three mechanisms of birth control pills:

      1. inhibiting ovulation (the primary mechanism),

      2. thickening the cervical mucus, thereby making it more difficult for sperm to travel to the egg, and

      3. thinning and shriveling the lining of the uterus to the point that it is unable or less able to facilitate the implantation of the newly fertilized egg.

      The first two mechanisms are contraceptive. The third is abortive.

      When a woman taking the Pill discovers she is pregnant (according to The Physician’s Desk Reference’s efficacy rate tables, this is 3 percent of pill-takers each year), it means that all three of these mechanisms have failed. The third mechanism sometimes fails in its role as backup, just as the first and second mechanisms sometimes fail. Each and every time the third mechanism succeeds, however, it causes an abortion.

      I am only presenting objective facts. You talk alot about judging and that is God’s realm in my opinion. The act of abortion, however, may rightly be judged. As early as the first century the Church, in the Didache said:
      Excerpt from…
      The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles

      The Lord’s Teaching to the Heathen by the Twelve Apostles:

      1 There are two ways, one of life and one of death; and between the two ways there is a great difference.

      2 Now, this is the way of life:…

      The second commandment of the Teaching: “Do not murder; do not commit adultery”; do not corrupt boys; do not fornicate; “do not steal”; do not practice magic; do not go in for sorcery; do not murder a child by abortion or kill a newborn infant. “Do not covet your neighbor’s property; do not commit perjury; do not bear false witness”; do not slander; do not bear grudges. Do not be double-minded or double-tongued, for a double tongue is “a deadly snare.” Your words shall not be dishonest or hollow, but substantiated by action. Do not be greedy or extortionate or hypocritical or malicious or arrogant. Do not plot against your neighbor. Do not hate anybody; but reprove some, pray for others, and still others love more than your own life.

      There is so much anger in the life vs. abortion arena, perhaps, because so many women have had abortions are not dealing with that and maybe resent having the question of life raised after the fact. Also, good Christians are on these contraceptive and dealing with the realization that the pills we have been given are part of the killing field. All I’m saying is get past the hype, propaganda of the abortion and contraceptive industries. They are getting rich on the holocaust.

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  6. I don’t think that making an exception for pregnant toddlers will open the door for everyone else because this is a rare and special circumstance. Most people considering abortion are not in this situation. I don’t know much about Plan B but it does not abort an existing pregnancy so I don’t see anything wrong with it being available to those that need it. If you are already pregnant, it doesn’t work and because of that, I don’t consider it the abortion pill. I have a friend who is in the military and she took Plan B the day after and still ended up pregnant. She kept the baby.

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  7. Joanna,
    It means that abortion is not a black and white situation. Two thousand years ago things like rape were not as common as it is today. I can only speak for myself. If I was pregnant right now, I could never have an abortion. But I could never speak for someone else. Its not up to me to judge other people, I am just a speck in the world and I am worth no more or no less than anyone else. There’s a difference between right and wrong. Its wrong for a toddler to give birth. Period. It is not okay for a 6 year old to carry a child. That is not God’s will. I am not saying to legalize abortion for everyone. What I am saying is that in special circumstances such as this there should be an exception. You cant speak for other people. You cant assume that everyone will be left scarred. There are plenty of people that have had an abortion and they don’t regret it one bit. A toddler giving birth might leave just as much trauma and scarring as an abortion would. Its unfortunate that so many woman in the states choose abortion. I don’t support a 16 year old having an abortion when she has the support of either family or a pregnancy center. I am talking about special circumstances and what I think is right and wrong. I’m against abortion when it comes to almost everyone, but in cases of very young children I find it tolerable. Especially in poorer countries where the chances of both the mother and baby dying in childbirth is very high. I’m very glad to have found this thread and I am glad that we can talk about such a dense topic in a civilized manner but I stand by every word I say. We all have opinions and even though most people stay away from this topic I find it important to have my say in the situation because women in other countries are not blessed with this right. I never heard of a over the counter abortion pill. I have heard of the Plan B but it does not abort an existing pregnancy.

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    • Zoey,

      It is precisely that we are all beloved by God and all precious and to be protected by such as a mother’s womb, that abortion is intrinsicly evil. There are exceptions already as in ectopic pregnancies where the fetus has no hope of living and the mother is seriously threatened as the fetus grows outside the womb. You, however, are now conjecturing pregnant toddlers, which is preposterous, as a reason to keep the door to abortion open and legal. That doesn’t make sense, especially when establishing a law that can be used by all with even casual disregard for life.

      The absense of regret after an abortion is not a test for morality. If anything it ,speaks to denial, deeply buried wounds, too painful to allow to rise to the surface of consciousness, and the casual disregard for intrauterine life prevalent in the media, voiced by proponents of the ever-changing, poorly researched, pop psychology, women’s magazines and among the “intelligentsia” of the liberal/progressive Left.

      As to over the counter morning after pills, Julia Cannold, CNN reports:

      “Vending machine offerings at a Pennsylvania university are expanding beyond the world of junk food and into the world of contraception.

      Shippensburg University in Pennsylvania now offers the emergency contraceptive Plan B One-Step in a vending machine in the school’s Etter Health Center, according to Peter Gigliotti, Executive Director for University Communications and Marketing.”

      You can check it out here and Pa. Vending Machine Dispenses ‘Morning-After’ Pill

      Please do not judge the pro-life Church position as less caring than your own. The Church starts with what Jesus has taught, and its Tradition is faithful to that for the sake of Truth and our eternal life. Please keep reading and praying for the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Neither you or I are left to ourselves by God or His Church.

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  8. Joanna,
    Overall I don’t support abortion and I understand what you are saying but I still think that there should be exceptions. There are a lot of children under the age of 12 that have given birth so its not a rare situation. In some instances both the mother and the baby died in childbirth. It is not God’s will for a young lady to end up pregnant and then for her and her baby to die in the process. A woman’s body is not physically prepared to deliver a child until the age of 18. It is not rare anymore for a small child to end up pregnant. I don’t believe that its ever God’s will for a child to be pregnant. A lot of people don’t have health insurance and it costs $10,000 to give birth in a hospital. We live in a very fortunate country where pregnancy centers take in young women with a baby on the way and no place to go but other countries don’t. Think of a young child in India or Mexico that has gotten raped, ended up pregnant and doesn’t have any means to take care of the child and no one to help her. Think of all the children that cant afford to go to a hospital. If there are any problems whatsoever and they cant deliver the baby naturally, both the mother and the baby die. Other countries don’t have non profit charities and involved churches or pregnancy hot lines, help centers and women’s shelters. In poorer places both the mother and the child end up homeless, or dead. Just because we have the technology to ensure a proper birthing process doesn’t mean that everyone can afford it. I’m a Catholic, I don’t support abortion, I was in danger of abortion myself, my first name is the Greek word for LIFE and my grandmother gave birth to 15 children, and only 10 survived. And even *I* can make some exceptions for those that really need it.

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    • Dear Zoey (meaning “life”),

      You say “I’m a Catholic, I don’t support abortion.” What does that actually mean if you then turn around and become you own Magisterium with your statement, “And even *I* can make some exceptions for those that really need it.” God loves and values the life of each individual regardless of circumstance and without discriminating on the basis of age or social situation. You seem to place a greater value on lives because of perceived need, (i.e. pregnant 12-year-old) but would abort the life of the even more vulnerable 12 week old living in the womb. Do you really think abortion doesn’t severely scar at any age ( emotionally, physically or spiritually?) Invading the womb with death is more than a moral intrusion. Abortion is a token band-aid. Allowing abortion has led to tolerance and acceptance in our broken society, so that now it is an over-the-counter/vending machine “choice” with no one the wiser. Intrinsic evil is never morally okay. One in four women in our country has had an abortion , and I’m guessing, they weren’t pregnant 12 year olds. A sin like rape or incest is also not justification for another sin, murder. The perpetrator of the killing being a man or woman with an MD after their name doesn’t make it less deadly, nor that fact that the media or law makers gives it the Good Housekeeping seal of approval.

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  9. My church is participating in a spiritual adoption program (spiritualadoption.org). Its where you pray for a baby in danger of abortion every day for 9 months, and at the end of the program there’s a baby shower where you buy baby clothes and supplies for a mother at a womens shelter that chose to keep her baby even though she has no means/no help from anyone to be able to support it. I participate in this every year. I’m saving my change every day in a piggy bank for the next 9 months and then I will use all that money to buy nice things for my adopted baby. Its difficult to tell people what they can or cannot do with their own bodies. The youngest woman to ever give birth was only 5 years old and she was raped by her own father. So yes, I do think that there should be exceptions. I dont think its right for a 5 year old girl to give birth. That is not God’s plan. But I am glad that I’m alive and that I am here because my father asked my mother to abort me when she was pregnant with me. My mother chose to keep me, and for that I am thankful.

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    • Zoie,
      Your church’s adoption program is wonderful. God bless you all for your efforts to support innocent life.

      As to “Its difficult to tell people what they can or cannot do with their own bodies”, it is paramount to note that it is God who gives life and commands us with love in regard to it. The bodies we are speaking of in abortion are the bodies other than the mothers’. Those other little but not negotiable bodies do not belong to the mother as a finger, kidney or hang nail. It is the body of a brand new individual and belongs to God, who also commands, “Thou shalt not kill”.

      Dilemmas will arise throughout our lives, but intrinsic evil in never the answer. Whether conceived in love or in rape or lust, the good God pronounces his creation good and pronounces consequences, also telling us that the ground cries out for the spilling of innocent blood. We can not condone abortion with arguments like the highly unlikely pregnant 5 year old. Performing an abortion victimizes the victim a second time and probably forever scars the scarred. Love, care, pastoral and real medical help get us further along the way of healing than treating life as a cancer, and unworthy of being. Read a bit of Pope John Paul ll for a reasoned and holy exposition of life and consequences.

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  10. Im currently 12 weeks pregnant..and i dont see how anyone can give up their child like that..it is disgusting what people do these days..i think if you can lay there and have sex you need to take care of the responsibilities…me and my husband have been trying for a year and a half to have a family..and we finally quit trying…but with gods miracle he gave us a child..i think abortion should be outlawed and banned…god put the baby there for a reason..you dont mess with gods plan!!!

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    • May God bless you, your husband and your precious baby. We can all hope and pray that our nation may grow in greatness as it recognizes and protects the youngest and the weakest yet to be born. We all begin at conception and must stand one day for judgment before the throne of God.

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    • i disagree with abortions. i am 12 weeks pregnant and i am very attatched to my baby. i do believe when you get pregnant it is a blessing from god. i cherish my babies from the begining.

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    • well if your raped and stopped believing in “god” and you have the choice then i think its no ones business. Dont get mad at people like me because it took you so long to get pregnant. I’ve had 2 abortions, and 2 kids, and couldnt be happier with the choices that I have made. Like I said its nobodys business what choices grown women make but their own.

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      • Dear Alexia,
        I too thank God for your two children and pray you continue to be happy and well. I am very sorry you were raped. I am not mad at you or any women who is a victim in this God deprived or unbelieving society. Abortion is about lives others don’t get to live as we are living our own and making our choices. May you know peace and happiness in life.

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  11. We are all blobs of tissue, as you would have it, living: growing, animated blobs of human DNA, genomes and what have you. From our conception we are unique and irreplaceable, precious in the eye of God.

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    • You think this image is awful. This fetus is plastic. The flesh of a living fetus is pink and lively while one that has been aborted can be blackened, bloody or mutilated into pieces. Yes, awful!

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